Pixelmon Mapmaker Permissions

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  1. VortexWinds

    VortexWinds Well-Known Member

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    Due to technical issues the thread content was generated by ABadHaiku and I'm posting it for him


    I recognize that this is a mite-bit too much to ask, but I think it would be a good idea for there to be a "Builder" rank on the Pixelmon server for official builders of towns and cities and the like in the Pixelmon server. If the Pokemon League is to be created, it has no chance of doing so in survival. As such, persons of the Builder rank would have creative mode and WorldEdit permissions to be able to do their work to the fullest. Of course they would have to be properly vetted and such, but that would be left to the pre-existing server staff. My idea is the Builder rank would only be active on the Pixelmon server, but could be expanded to any server which has the same combination of survival and adventure map. I have already built the rock-type city and gym, and my wish for it to be implemented what prompted me to post this.

    Dropbox Link Below:
    Dropbox - Morian City.zip
     
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  3. Lawmonark

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    I think having too many people trying to build the map would cause issues, the reason....Pokemon Math is all messed up.
    What i mean by this is, Most areas are bigger on the inside then out... Looking at you Virididan Forest.

    With that being said, i am currently trying to remake the map. It may not become a server but i will complete it.

    As for your build thats from Johto.. but am building Kanto.

    Also allowing players persmission to World Edit is not a good idea. For one it is too easy for an un-skilled builder to crash a server or to spawn in items, since its like having creative.
     
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  4. ABadHaiku_

    ABadHaiku_ Developer Patron Tier 2

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    @Khrymez What? No. Hell no. I never asked for us to rebuild the map of one of the canon regions. I was asking if we could make our OWN custom cities and submit them for use in MyM's Pokemon League.
    Everyone's built a canon Pixelmon map - hell my mama's built a canon Pixelmon map. I'm talking about some variety.
    I take it you didn't look at the world file, so you have no idea what I'm talking about.
    And I completely understand your reservations on WE; I STILL don't understand most of its idiosyncrasies. However, I believe that with good cooperation and communication, staff members and map-makers could work hand-in-hand and make the MyM Pokemon League the best it can be. Maybe the builders can have creative mode, and the staff use WE to spawn in some finished schematics of the larger constructions.
    Here's what I'VE been working on over the past 2 days:
    And keep in mind, I did this by HAND. Hell, I only learned about WorldEdit (best mod) AFTER I had finished the majority of the project, so I just used it to make the mountain around it and for some of the details.
    Each NPC has full dialogue in keeping with the game's fashion, and (when I get around to it) the closed mineshaft will be fully opened and populated. It's just a structure nearly as large as the town so I put it off till later.
     
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    Given the experimental issues with px I believe may be reaching for the stars.
     
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    ABadHaiku_ Developer Patron Tier 2

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    I'm sorry? Could you elaborate?
     
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    I can't speak officially on the matter. I'm working on the assumption we'd like to stabilize everything before we add more ranks etc. To the server.
     
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    ABadHaiku_ Developer Patron Tier 2

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    That does sound good, and the whole business of adding large structures, towns, and the big-'ol Pokemon League system will only really be viable next year when the first stable build is projected to launch. This is still just kind of throwing around ideas, but it's better to talk about those ideas rather than shooting them out of thin air.
     
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    I apologize if you thought I was shooting. (puts the gun away) Given what all of you did with the building competition I believe you could accomplish anything in a couple weeks time.
     
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    I did look at the save. It was on a super flat and there was a sign that said something like "We dug to deep" or something like that..

    If you are only building towns, then there would be no need for World edit, as you should be able to make those in survival.

    I dont know why i thought you were talking about making a map. My bad.[DOUBLEPOST=1472563607][/DOUBLEPOST]
    I really do like the idea, but just not on the server. You can add World Edit to your single player world, Then upload the saves.
    If there comes a time where the server is looking for builds, they can Save them to schematic and use them.

    Maybe if they can add a "builders" rank, i could mean you built something for MyM and it was used... not that you have creative/ world edit on the servers.

    I was not trying to shoot your ideas down either. You can do like i am, build it in single player, then upload it.
     
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  11. ABadHaiku_

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    Did you see that town? It would take months to build that in survival. With the high ceilings and lack of creative flight, and all the resources it would require, it would take several weeks just to hollow out a space that size, much less build the buildings.
    What I was talking about was towns and gyms, built by the players and officialized by the staff, for the server's Pokemon League. These towns, to be any good, would have to be built in creative, as they would require large numbers of resources. The towns are for the server's benefit after all, so there is no reason to make the builders pay for it.
    ...I'm talking about player-run builds, you're talking about a straight-up adventure map. I never said anything about the players surrendering their builds. It would be player-built towns for the public use, combined with the survival aspect of the server.
    Basically, the way I see it, Pixelmon survival isn't much fun, as you're just building all this stuff to no end. It's more like vanilla than Pixelmon. I wanted an adventure map, as that's more engaging, but the server is staying survival, so I worked out a compromise. Player-built and run towns in an official staff-organized Pokemon League. That way you get the fun of survival AND an adventure map. Normally the staff would build the towns, but since they don't have the resources or time to do it, the players can. Forcing the builders to build in survival is stifling their ability to create and produce the towns to the best of their abilities.

    Unless you're talking about just not doing a Pokemon League, in which case I must vehemently disagree. That would completely eliminate the entire Pokemon part of Pixelmon.
    And either way, Lucid already agreed to the idea. I was just supposed to coordinate with you to get the whole thing organized.
     
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    I never said anything about not having a pokemon league or gyms. What you are asking for is to have creative/world edit to build in game for the use of the server. This can be done very easily with World Edit in single player. The only time players have Creative while a server is running is either Pre-Launch (where player.dat can be deleted and locations can be controlled) or if they are an admin. The builders normally go in before the server goes live to the public.

    Download this and put it in your mods folder: Overview - WorldEdit - Mods - Projects - Minecraft CurseForge

    Then start up a single player and build something you want to save to schematic.
    Once you are done type //wand
    Then Left click/right click the two corners in a cuboid to select the whole build
    After you do that stand in the place you want to copy it at, this spot will be where it pastes from. Then type the following in order.

    //copy
    //schem save mcedit name

    You can test if you did it correctly by typing //schem load mcedit name

    The name is what you want to call it. After that locate your configs folder and look for the World edit folder, in that folder will be the schematics folder. This is the file you can send to people so they can load your builds into the world.
     
  13. ABadHaiku_

    ABadHaiku_ Developer Patron Tier 2

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    The problem is NPCs. The only way to create and edit NPCs is to use the NPC editor that can only be gotten in creative. Another thing is maintenance on their builds, as well as roads connecting them. Basically, the way I see it, the few select builders will need to be properly vetted anyway, so I don't see why they shouldn't have the ability to do more for the server.
    Or maybe I'm naive and expect everyone to be as altruistic as I.
     
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    One day ill get around to building my water gym
     
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    How are you with interior design? I have a really good (or at least half-decent) idea for the water town, it's just that interior design is the worst of my building prowesses.
     
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    Im not too bad at inside design, i wanted the water gym to look like a sunken atlantis tbh
     
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    Well see, here's an issue: I'm terrible at architecture. To be honest, before I built Morian City I was thoroughly convinced that I just flat-out couldn't build. I can do terrain half-decently, and I can copy from videos (what I had to do to rebuild Morian), and I can do some basic redstone, but I can't really do much else.
    I am working on the water town, but it's mostly just an edited Ocean Temple and some glass spheres in a giant man-made "ocean" (more of a lake than anything).
     
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    Very cool. If you make a Cool water town, i may be able to use it. IF you let me. I plan to add the islands from the second pokemon movie, that house the 3 legedary shrines.... but thats at the end of when i make kanto.
     
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    Ok, please specify what you're talking about doing. What I thought was happening was that the players would make little cities to house their gyms as well as manage said gyms. The cities would be in the survival world, and would add an adventure aspect to the game. I never heard anything about one map made and organized by one person, as far as I knew it would be separate people cooperating with one central Pokemon League.
    Also, why do you feel the need to make the whole of Johto/Kanto in the server? I don't think that's really necessary.
     

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